First Man: (laugh) I think there are now, 73 pockets of resistance inside FIFA. I think, Crown Prince Ali did very well today. It surprised me that he got that amount of votes. I think that's a good sign. But I think people have more to fear from the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation than anything inside FIFA.
Male Announcer: Sepp Blatter has delivered money to countries outside Europe for football in Africa and Asia. They appear to have voted for him. Is there anything inherently corrupt about that, do you think?
First Man: No there's not. I mean, I've traveled the world investigating match fixing with FIFA. And I've seen and visited a lot of those football associations who are absolutely in abject poverty and rely desperately on FIFA money. And what FIFA have tried to do by moving a lot of the wealth to the poorer nations and associations is a good thing. It's just that the way they have done it, is not.
Male announcer: Do you think there's anything wrong with that relationship? Cause that appears to be how he survives.
Female: Yeah I think that... that's a really crucial part of how Sepp Blatter manages to secure recoronation after recoronation. It's not just that he turns a blind eye to the rampant corruption in the rank and file of FIFA, but it's also that he ... he can secure... he sort of has this patronage relationship where he does buy favor and he has access to FIFA's vast coffers, they've got 1.5 billion dollars in cash reserves and, uh, he can dole out that money in gold program funding. And I think that's part of the reason why, actually, there is a culture of vote buying in FIFA, that actually anyone who goes up against Sepp Blatter like Mohamed Bin Hammam did in 2011 has that to contend with. He has all the financial fire power for the organization and other people then feel they need to offer favors as well.
Male Announcer: Mr Slater [? not sure of his name] of your knowledge of FIFA do you think that's fair, one of the world's most rampantly corrupt organisations?
Mr ? [interviewee on video]- Wull [means 'well'], yeah, its documented now is n't it? Over the last 17 years, its corruption scandal after corruption scandal. Ah, an [means 'and'] I think that Mr Blatter has been at the helm of his boat for that time and its either gross competence negligence or mismanagement but to say that he's not aware that any of its going on, well, many a corporate leader would have been removed way before this.
Male announcer: Where do you think the the rot is? the corruption is? Where is it within the structure of organising world football?
[interviewee on video link] Where is it inside FIFA? Well, I think it starts at the top, I mean lets no forget that inside the house of Zur Zurich there are 300 people that work just like you and I do, day after day for the good of FIFA. They are not involved in any of this at all, in fact, the analogy would be.. they are a lot like a football club that, um, changes ownership, for instance. Does it affect the players? No, they go out and do the job. What happens in the board room does n't affect them and its just the same with FIFA. The people that put on World Cup after World Cup and do a fantastic job are really tainted by those at the top of... the fact they have access to the contracts, to the sponsors, they're in a position where they can actually be a part of deals.. and take money.
Male Announcer: I mee [hesitation] mean you must feel Blatter is a bit like Rasputin, in that whatever you stab him, poison him, whatever, he still carries on going. Is there a way... can further investigation bring an end to this do you think?
[Female interviewee in studio] I mean I think the involvement of the FBI is a game changer, personally, I think, I think that, erm, you know speaking to someone quite close to Michael Garcia, FIFA's internal investigator, who had such difficulty actually trying to...
[Male announcer interupts] there's a suggestion he fudged it rather...
[Female interviewee in studio] there is a suggestion he fudged it and I think he could have been more assiduous but I also think that, you know, he did have some evidence in his report which FIFA was very keen to bowdlerize and cover up and when I spoke to.. someone close him he was saying that they really feel that now the Swiss prosecutors are involved, they have powers of subpoena that might really blow open some of the dead ends that they encountered but then the FBI have now brought in these 7 officials who will know an awful lot about what's been going on inside world football and if they can get those people to flip and start talking the way they got Chuck Blazer, the, er, former US official to start talking then really.. things might start to come out and that could change things.
Male announcer: OK, have to leave it there [says very quick and like its one word] thankyou both very much indeed.
